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 Post subject: Permacultura si legende urbane specifice mitologiei New Age
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:23 pm 
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La intalnire (care mi-a placut foarte, foarte mult) am remarcat ocazional printre firele de discutie cel putin doua legende urbane cunoscute ca fiind false:

Fenomenul celei a suta maimute
Mitul utilizarii incomplete a creierului

Acum, nu vorbesc impotriva mitologiei New Age, si nu vorbesc nici impotriva legendelor, urbane sau de alt fel.

Doar ca as prefera sa nu aud legende urbane alaturi de idei permaculturale. Pentru unii asta ar putea discredita chiar ideea de permacultura.

Ca orice legenda, sigur ca au si astea un miez de adevar: pentru fenomenul celei a suta maimute, miezul de adevar e conceptul sociologic de tipping point (cand un fenomen ce obisnuia sa fie rar devine brusc mult mai comun). Dar nu avem nevoie sa-l imbracam intr-o manta metafizica in care sa fie inclusa telepatia.

Posibil ca telepatia sa existe. Dar consider ca permacultura se poate raspandi si fara ea.

Desigur, asemenea legende urbane apar la iveala in tot felul de cercuri, dar ma astept ca persoanele pasionate de permacultura sa fie un pic mai bine informate despre lumea vie.

Stiu, stiu: iar ma concentrez pe diferente in loc sa ma concentrez pe ceea ce avem in comun. Adevarul e ca m-am simtit foarte bine si ma bucur foarte mult ca v-am cunoscut pe toti.


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 Post subject: Re: Permacultura si legende urbane specifice mitologiei New
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:20 pm 
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Ufff ... Eu prefer daca nu sa respect, macar sa tolerez legendele si miturile fiecaruia indiferent daca sunt new age sau scrise intr-o carte evreiasca acu doua milenii. Faptul ca majoritatea participantilor la intalnire erau crestini si foloseau un "da doamne sa", nu asociaza crestinismul - in sens pozitiv sau negativ - cu permacultura
Fiecare are o viziune care altuia is e poate parea mistica, fantasmagorica sau pur si simplu gresita. Parca nu merita sa facem acum si aici mare caz pe diferente.

paimei tot se incapataneaza sa citeze de aici http://www.poormojo.org/cgi-bin/gennie.pl?Rant+124+bi
scuze ca am ales un citat mai mare:
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The politeness of these savages in conversation is indeed carried to excess, since it does not permit them to contradict or deny the truth of what is asserted in their presence. By this. means they indeed avoid disputes; but then it becomes difficult to know their minds, or what impression you make upon them. The missionaries who have attempted to convert them to Christianity all complain of this as one of the great difficulties of their mission. The Indians hear with patience the truths of the Gospel explained to them, and give their usual tokens of assent and approbation; you would think they were convinced. No such matter. It is mere civility.

A Swedish minister, having assembled the chiefs of the Susquehanah Indians, made a sermon to them, acquainting them with the principal historical facts on which our religion is founded; such as the fall of our first parents by eating an apple, the coming of Christ to repair the mischief, His miracles and suffering, etc. When he had finished, an Indian orator stood up to thank him.

"What you have told us," he says, "is all very good. It is indeed bad to eat apples. It is better to make them all into cider. We are much obliged by your kindness in coming so far, to tell us these things which you have heard from your mothers. In return, I will tell you some of those we have heard from ours. In the beginning, our fathers had only the flesh of animals to subsist on; and if their hunting was unsuccessful, they were starving. Two of our young hunters, having killed a deer, made a fire in the woods to broil some part of it.

"When they were about to satisfy their hunger, they beheld a beautiful young woman descend from the clouds, and seat herself on that hill, which you see yonder among the blue mountains. They said to each other, it is a spirit that has smelled our broiling venison, and wishes to eat of it; let us offer some to her. They presented her with the tongue; she was pleased with the taste of it and said, 'Your kindness shall be rewarded; come to this place after thirteen moons, and you shall find something that will be of great benefit in nourishing you and your children to the latest generations.' They did so, and, to their surprise, found plants they had never seen before; but which, from that ancient time, have been constantly cultivated among us, to our great advantage. Where her right hand had touched the ground, they found maize; where her left hand had touched it, they found kidney?beans; and where her backside had sat on it, they found tobacco."

The good missionary, disgusted with this idle tale, said, "What I delivered to you were sacred truths, but what you tell me is mere fable, fiction, and falsehood."

The Indian, offended, replied, "My brother, it seems your friends have not done you justice in your education; they have not well instructed you in the rules of common civility. You saw that we, who understand and practice those rules, believed all your stories; why do you refuse to believe ours?"

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 Post subject: Re: Permacultura si legende urbane specifice mitologiei New
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:05 pm 
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Mai tolerez, mai comentez, si tot asa... Sigur n-am de gand sa dau in cap nimanui.


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 Post subject: Re: Permacultura si legende urbane specifice mitologiei New
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:33 pm 
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Mai este unu simpatic pe care mi la tot fluturat cineva in cap si culmea ca nu-mi aduc aminte cine, oricum n-are nici o importanta persoana, dar e simpatic si zice ca dupa ce au trecut doua generatii care si-au facut veacul pe la oras celei de-a treia ii vine cheful sa se reintoarca la tara. Sunt sigur ca nu ma incadrez in acest mit, deoarece eu sunt la prima generatie careia ii vine pofta de o rocada, cu atat mai mult cu cat fratemiu a facut oarecum deja pasul asta, e drept ca nu chiar la tara, dar intr-un oras infinit mai mic decat Clujul.

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 Post subject: Re: Permacultura si legende urbane specifice mitologiei New
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:48 pm 
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Eu sunt de parere ca orasele vor cadea. Si chiar fara aceasta (deoarece mai e ceva pana atunci), dvs va convine sa stati in oras? sa va chinuiti cu masina 1 ora la dus si o ora la intors (in cel mai bun caz) intr-un trafic infernal? sa fiti sub papucul sefului (mai mult sau mai putin!) restul de 8 ore? sa depindeti de Radet, de Electrica si de ApaNova? Toti banii castigati in conditiile de mai sus sa nu va ajunga pentru achitarea datoriilor la banca pe care le-ati facut pentru a va cumpara apartamentul in care de bine de rau locuim cu totii, si masina cu care ne taram zilnic prin trafic pentru a merge la serviciu pentru a face bani pentru a ne achita ratele pe care........intr-un cerc vicios nesfarsit!
Cat am trait la tara, chiar cu un venit relativ modest in unele perioade, era mult mai placut si m-am simtit mult mai liber.


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